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ravishankar9992000
05-30-2003, 07:17 PM
Hi There!

Have you ever considered the way the sustain pedal (the right one) is working? Well, according to my experience as a concertist I can tell you that it does not sustain the sound as much as a real grand piano should do!
Believe it or not I got a lot of experience on different grand pianos and if you try to play anything keeping for a while the right pedal (of these pianos) completely down well, you will be able to hear a great chaos due to a high sustain level; unfortunately this is not the case with the CVP 209.
I know it may be good and easy for most of the users but for a concertist it is a completely disaster! You have a very limited range of sustained sound, I mean, you cannot regulate very much the way this pedal sustains the sound; it is the same as if you have a piano wich can play only p - mf - f and that's all! Instead a real concert piano should be able to recreate the entire collection of possible espression effects like starting from ppp - pp - p - mf - f - ff- fff. Well, in this way the sound of the CVP 209 is very good but the right pedal is very limited!
If somebody can play the Listz' s Studio Concert "UN SOSPIRO" will soon realize the faultiness of the sustain pedal...if somebody is interested on more detailed explanation about this I am ready to give them hoping that in future the Yamaha company will reconsider the way the CVP 209's right pedal should be.

One more thing: if you listen very very carefully to each sound emitted from the Grand piano natural voice you will feel a resonance as if some water is bubling inside ...yes, I know, it may sound silly but I can assure that the water echo is there and it is quite unnatural...I have been trained for years and years and years to detect the slightest difference of sound in a piano so, please try to check it out and then tell me what do you think about it. Try playing the central keys of your CVP starting from the central Do and goin upward for at least two octaves...can you detect anything?

Yours

RAVI

ClavinovaGuy
05-31-2003, 12:07 PM
My guess is that it is a polyphony issue - they'd have to make it more like 2560 notes instead of 256 to support that behavior.

ravishankar9992000
05-31-2003, 07:38 PM
Sorry, I do'nt understand...are you referring to the right pedal problem or to the water like noise one?

If you are referring to the noise problem please, I'd like to know your opinion about the pedal too and viceversa.

Thank you very much! (As usual you are the fastest and the best in replying to us!)

Yours

RAVI

ClavinovaGuy
05-31-2003, 07:51 PM
I was referring to the right pedal - the sustain eats up lots of polyphony.

I went back and listened to the Grand Piano 1 voice with headphones on, and yes, I can hear some sound decaying after the note, too. If you turn off the DSP, it goes away, so it is apparently the result of some effect being applied to the voice. I never noticed that before - I usually use the GP2 voice.

fredof
07-17-2003, 03:14 AM
I have the same feeling about the sustain pedal of my CVP209.
I've set the DSP "soundboard" to 30 (instead of 2 by default) and set the reverb to 40. There is more resonance but the sustain still decays too fast.

Is there any solution ?