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Keynoter
01-22-2006, 11:31 AM
NAMM Report

I am an interested buyer who was using the NAMM as an oportunity to evaluate my decision about the purchase of a CVP 309GP. First, let me tell you about the CGP 1000. It is a CVP 309GP in all internal respects with physical and acoustic changes. It is in a 4’11” case and immediately you notice a natural wood soundboard under the lid. This is the major sonic difference in that Yamaha has added acoustically coupled transducers to activate the soundboard, giving the sound a more “natural” sound. The literature calls the CGP 1000 an acoustic/digital hybrid. Unfortunately, in the noisy NAMM environment, it was not possible to evaluate the improvement. The case size gives the illusion of a “real grand piano”. No price has been set but if you use the reference of the $17,000 MSRP on the 309GP, one marketing manager was talking around $25000. That might translate, (in my opinion) to a $10-12000 “street price”. I use the term street price after seeing that you can buy a 309GP if you shop the dealers for around $8000. This price could be due to the rapid changes in Yamaha’s competitive environment and could be unique to the press for technology and cosmetic changes. In other words, this may be a good time to buy a 309GP before new models come out in 2007.

I spent a little time at Kawai, Roland and Kohler. I believe Kawai and Roland represent the major competition that Yamaha faces. They have followed Yamaha’s lead and are making improvement. The larger case size, computer interfaces, built-in CDRW capability and a good piano sound driven by higher power amplifiers (200W). I could be very happy with the new Kawai CP207. Some like the Roland KR117M are overloaded with teaching gimmicks. Pricing on these units has not been set and the release is 3-6 months away. The trend seems to be toward the larger case and higher priced digitals as they continue to challenge acoustics. There is nothing like an acoustic piano or a disk clavier but you pay for what you get.

I personally believe that this is a good time to buy a Yamaha CVP 309GP as many of the improvements that are coming can be done without for most users. I also feel that Yamaha’s depth of experience and the potential of the internet interface will keep them in the lead. Are you going to wait or buy now?

Scubacpa
01-22-2006, 01:57 PM
Thanks for the reveiw. Where you able to play the CGP-1000? Or just listen.

So are you going to buy a 309-GP?

nickb
01-22-2006, 10:51 PM
Thank you Keynoter!!!

Keynoter
01-26-2006, 12:22 AM
Scubacpa----

No, I didn't get a chance to play the CGP-1000.

But

I bought the 309GP after much thought. I can't wait to get my hands on it......WOW!

bdunc
01-26-2006, 12:59 AM
Did you get a good deal?

wally
01-26-2006, 10:19 AM
Please...let's not turn this thread into a topic better addressed in the Purchasing Discussion forum.

Thanks.

bdunc
01-26-2006, 04:45 PM
This is the Purchasing Discussion forum.

agan72
01-27-2006, 12:17 AM
From the horse's mouth: Yamaha's own press release on the CGP-1000

http://www.giles.com/yamaha1/winterNAMM06/pr/piano/cgp-1000.html

Scubacpa
01-27-2006, 07:27 AM
Picture looks great. I wonder how much it is?

But ... if functionally it is the same as the 309-PE and 309-GP than the extra cost is basically for a nice piece of furniture.

If I wanted something of that size (and had the room) I would probably go for something in the disklavier series.

Gmoney
01-27-2006, 02:25 PM
Well I just called Yamaha directly to find out the SUGGESTED retail price for the cgp 1000. Are you ready.........? 24,999.00!
I am interested in the cvp 309Gp which seems to be running around 10,000.00 before tax and delivery. MSRP for the 309 GP seems to be around between 14,000 and 18,000 (depending on who you talk to. I forgot to ask Yamaha what the MSRP for the 309 gp was). Wha da ya think for the CGP? 15,000 to 16,000?
WOW!

Thoughts?


Gmoney in Hermosa Beach, Calif

dbjorck
01-30-2006, 03:33 AM
Jeez! Approx 9,000 USD just for the cabinet?! I'll echo then what someone else suggested in an earlier thread; take a 309 to a cabinet maker and have it encased in a grand piano cabinet. I don't think it would cost as much as that.

(PS. You should add your location in your profile, and/or include currencies when you qoute prices).

Brgds

Danny

nickb
01-30-2006, 02:09 PM
I don't think Yamaha will release it with the exactly CVP309 hardware inside... Because even the CLP-280 have better piano voices. They should use a better hadware. At least I hope so. If they make it with the features I listed, I would buy it!!

jazzman
01-30-2006, 03:56 PM
Try a Ketron DG100 for about $6000 and save over $10,000. By the way the Ketron comes with a sampler and better styles

AVIUSA
01-30-2006, 07:13 PM
Does the Ketron have full orchestral accompaniment and waiting lights?

For me, this is the main feature in the CVP series. Otherwise, I would have opted for a CLP. The styles, vocal harmonies, as well as some other features are secondary, although nice, as I am interested in learning, practicing and playing the piano. The pleasure of playing a piano concerto or chamber music pieces is unique.

Now, it seems that the CGP 1000's large cabinet and its wooden soundboard do add to the sound quality and the question is whether it’s worth the cost differential.

BTW, it's nice to be back in the forum. I have been traveling extensively on business and also lost my previous password so I registered again under a new user name. Glad to see that folks are enjoying the CVP 300 series.

Avi

nickb
01-30-2006, 07:42 PM
Ketron seems to be good, but it was released in 2002 and have only 64 polyphony. They use disks and not USB...

jazzman
01-30-2006, 09:17 PM
Ketron does have full orchestral accompaniment but no lights. Polyphony is 64, but 32 is multitimbral. I have never had notes dropping out and I play "open chord positions" with alot of sustain. Its really a cost vs benefit ratio as the most expensive Ketron, the DG100 which is the Baby Grand version sells for $6000.00. I have a CVP 210 and the Ketron, and I can tell you, I play the Ketron 90% of the time. If you want a review of the DG100 email me and I will send one that I found in "Keyboard Player" I am not affiliated with Ketron, just passing on my knowledge on this instrument, as you will probably not find one in the local music store. Additionally, you will not have to fight with the salesman about the "suggested" Ketron pricing policies!!

nickb
01-31-2006, 12:51 PM
jazzman,

Do you know when Ketron will release a new model?

Regarding Yamaha, I really don't believe they will release a MSRP:US$24000.00 Digital piano with CVP-300 series obsolete hardware. I think no one would buy it. They should use the Tyros 2 hardware on this piano!

jazzman
01-31-2006, 01:33 PM
You might try contacting "Baltimore Music Center" formerly Keyboard City in Baltimore Maryland. Speak with Dan O'Neil he is very up to date on the Ketron products