Mandolin - tremolo/trill

[sbrbot]

On CVP one can define only one of echo type effects (echo, tremolo, trill) to sound (actually to keyboard because this is keyboard effect resulting in different sound).

According to manual:

When one of the Echo Types is selected, the corresponding effect (echo, tremolo, trill) is applied to the note played in the right-hand section of the keyboard in time with the currently set tempo, regardless of the [ACMP ON/OFF] and the LEFT part on/off status. Keep in mind that Trill works when you hold down two notes on the keyboard simultaneously (last two notes if more than two notes are held), and it plays those notes alternately.

But sound "Mandolin" (Guitar/Bass group) seems to have both effects turned on. There's tremolo (works if you press only one note), and trill (works if you press two notes). You cannot do this with Vibraphone or Piano sound for example.

How they did that? Or why one cannot apply both effects in the same time?

[dk21208]

Stjepan,
I am not sure I am following the actual question. From what I can tell, though, the Mandolin voice is not technically created using any of these three effects to create the sound. The repeating pattern on the voice is not impacted by the metronome setting. It does seem to be impacted by the note frequency. Also, it is hard to hear, but I don't think that holding two notes results in a trill.

Try turning on one of those harmony effects while using the mandolin voice. You can tell the difference.

[sbrbot]

... the Mandolin voice is not technically created using any of these three effects to create the sound. The repeating pattern on the voice is not impacted by the metronome setting. It does seem to be impacted by the note frequency. Also, it is hard to hear, but I don't think that holding two notes results in a trill.

We all hear that sound of Mandolin has the tremolo effect. Since this tremolo effect is inherent in sound itself (it is not result of Mandolin 'clear' sound + tremolo effect applied) it seems that this tremolo it is built in sound sample itself. Applying additional external tremolo effect does not give any change. This way one can add trill effect as well and have internal tremolo when playing one note and trill+tremolo effect when playing more notes.

You also noted that tremolo effect of Mandolin is not impacted by metronome settings (probably you meant tempo) and this is not behavior of external tremolo effect which adjust itself with tempo.

So the only conclusion is that this tremolo effect is actually integral part of Mandolin sound sample and is not related to external tremolo effect that one can apply in harmony/echo settings.

[dk21208]

Yes, exactly.

[ericho]

Wrong :rolleyes: (on the cvp208 anyway ) :)

Press direct access ---> Harmony/echo

set the type in the left cullum to Tremolo

The rest of the controls are on the same page.
The speed can be selected 8.....32 and this is in relation to the midi tempo

This harmony type effect can be used on all voices incl piano ;)

Make sure the harmony/echo led is on

Kind regards

Eric

[sbrbot]

Hi Ericho,

please read our previous posts carefully.

regards.

[ericho]

OK....I See...

Ah I stil have an older model cvp, there is only the tremolo effect and consequently fully related to the tempo.

They must have added another layer to the sample in the newer cvp's to ad more realism to the voice

Kind regards

Eric

[dk21208]

They must have added another layer to the sample in the newer cvp's to ad more realism to the voice


I wish the sample was just a single layer. In my opinion it ruins the sample for some potential applications. I understand what they were trying to accomplish because the tremolo speed is a factor of the frequency of the note played, not the tempo. However, I think they should have left it alone or added a second mandolin voice without the tremolo effect.