How do I tweak Grand piano 1 sound on CVP-505?

[yamacvp_player]

Hi everyone, this is my first post on this great website! I just bought the fantastic CVP-505. I just could not afford the 509..(one can't have everything...)

The only thing I really miss on the CVP-505 is that Yamaha decided NOT to include STRING RESONANCE. I really notice this as I also have a 7 ft Kawai grand which has lovely resonance. But I love the CVP as it is always in tune and the CF111S piano sound is absolutely awesome. However it lacks the string resonance.

Can anyone please advise me how I can alter the piano voice to make for a more authentic sound, considering there is no string resonance? Also there is a bit too much reverb in the preset voice.
I would be most grateful for any suggestions. Many thanks!

[RBmusic]

One would first have to define "more authentic".
Grand piano sounds can be very subjective, i.e. your own Kawai does not sound the same as... pick any 7ft Grand, even a nominally identical Kawai.

Would you like it to be more authentic to, say a particular Steinway ?
a Story & Clark ? Hamlin ? Bosendorfer 290 ?

I don't think the CVPs are expected to be the ultimate emulation box with infinite adjustment to "match" any instrument.
They provide some fairly good instruments with SOME adjustments, that is it.

[dbjorck]

Hi!

And there's no substitute for string resonance. That cannot be approximated any other way.

But play around with the Sound Creator and Compressor, and you'll probably find a sound you like more. Then you can save it in Registration Memory. As I also posted in another of your posts, consider layering the sound with second piano.

Brgds

Danny

[yamacvp_player]

Hi!

And there's no substitute for string resonance. That cannot be approximated any other way.

But play around with the Sound Creator and Compressor, and you'll probably find a sound you like more. Then you can save it in Registration Memory. As I also posted in another of your posts, consider layering the sound with second piano.

Brgds

Danny

Thanks Danny, I will have a look at these options.
Regs, Mike

[yamacvp_player]

One would first have to define "more authentic".
Grand piano sounds can be very subjective, i.e. your own Kawai does not sound the same as... pick any 7ft Grand, even a nominally identical Kawai.

Would you like it to be more authentic to, say a particular Steinway ?
a Story & Clark ? Hamlin ? Bosendorfer 290 ?

I don't think the CVPs are expected to be the ultimate emulation box with infinite adjustment to "match" any instrument.
They provide some fairly good instruments with SOME adjustments, that is it.

Maybe my choice of words was not quite right. I was really looking for some ideas on tweaking the sound, using the available options on the instrument. I am quite happy with the Yamaha CF111S sample, it is fantastic. Of course the CVP's not "expected to be the ultimate emulation box with infinite adjustment to "match" any instrument." They do a great job of imitating instruments. Pity though about the lack of string resonance, of course Yamaha did this so people like me who are fussy should go and buy the most expensive 509.

[Nuclea]

Maybe my choice of words was not quite right. I was really looking for some ideas on tweaking the sound, using the available options on the instrument. I am quite happy with the Yamaha CF111S sample, it is fantastic. Of course the CVP's not "expected to be the ultimate emulation box with infinite adjustment to "match" any instrument." They do a great job of imitating instruments. Pity though about the lack of string resonance, of course Yamaha did this so people like me who are fussy should go and buy the most expensive 509.

I understand what you mean and i'm still also looking a solution for this problem.
I'm sure we can change some parameters (like reverb...) because i didn't have this problem on my old CVP 105 or my PSR-S900. On my CVP-503 it's like the right pedal is not functioning properly. When i play singles notes, i hear (in my headphones) exactly the same sound as on my grand Yamaha piano. But when I play with the pedal I don't have the same effect (of string resonance).

Have you found the right parameters now?

F.

[dbjorck]

Hi!

There are no parameters that can achieve string resonance. Either you have it or you don't. It's not merely reverb as you know, it is emulating the notes harmonic to the one you struck to also sound. That needs some very specific functionality, not an effect.

Brgds

Danny

[RBmusic]

Hi!

There are no parameters that can achieve string resonance. Either you have it or you don't. It's not merely reverb as you know, it is emulating the notes harmonic to the one you struck to also sound. That needs some very specific functionality, not an effect.

Brgds

Danny

It is in any case (pun intended, though you may have to wait for this one) not practical to emulate string resonance "properly".

Consider that it isn't JUST a question of figuring which strings that are close by have harmonics that are close enough to the struck strings - and then adding in some of their content (e.g. their fundamental and some of their harmonics).
String resonance is basically sympathetic vibration and the "messages" to excite that come via the soundboard and the case (pun at last) as well as that HUGE chunk of caste metal, etc.
The frequencies that those transmit are some function of their own resonant frequencies, so of course they amplify/attenuate different frequencies differently.

IOW - good luck with trying to model string resonance with any semblance of "realism" (whatever THAT means).
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