CVP 303 & MFD files

[guileak]

Hello, glad to find this forum. What a good idea.

I am now the proud owner of a CVP303, having played it for the last few months I decided it was time to learn more about the technology.

During this exercise I restored the factory defaults - have to learn about these things. In the process I reloaded the MFD file - Music Finder Database, with the default one in the CVP303 - now all of my music finders have cute names - "like a bridge for crossing troubled waters" - rather than anything meaningful like - "bridge over troubled waters".

So in a quest to resolve this, I studied MFD files. There are a number of MFD files that relate to the fake book series, this would be cool, and also many user MFD files around - but they don't support the CVP3xx series. The utilites for converting I have found will only translate upto the CVP210 series, no 3xx functionality as yet.

Has anybody explored MFD files - and succesfully managed to load MFD files into the CVP3xx series.

Also has anybody had a similar problem with the default names & how did they overcome it ?

Thanks for any help

Andy


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[ericho]

Hi Andy


Yes we all have this on our hands
all cvp's come out of the factory with these silly names in the MF
At the psrtutorial site you can find all you need to fix this on the 2xx series.

read abouth it here: http://www.psrtutorial.com/Files/OFmusicfinder.html

Try a psr3000 file. Who knows, maby it works on a 303 ??

Kind regards

Eric

[guileak]

Hi Eric,

Thanks for that - the format of the psr3000 files works with the CVP303 - so that moves us forward. The MFD file for the 2xx series only covers about 50% of the MF files in the 3xx directory so the theory is good but I need the latests Yamaha database.

I have managed to download and install the psr MFD file for the fake books so over 2000 arangements to go at......... :-)

I will take a CF card to the main dealer & save down the shop version, this has the full english names on it, then it should all be OK.

Thanks again for the help

Regards

Andy

[tomtomsf]

Hi

I'm not sure if Michael, the author, has updatd this to include the CVP300 series, but I think it's worth checking out. It's free, so you have nothing to lose.

Look here:

http://www.svpworld.com/util_mfdview.htm

:)

Tom G.

[Midi Magic]

Hi

I have already sent Michael the default MFD from a CVP 307 so he should add it to his program soon.
As far as I know it is just a matter of changing the header but I may be wrong.

Yamaha SHOULD give you a disk with the correct titles on when you buy the CVP. As the titles appear to be copywrited (how I don't know) Yamaha can not sell the CVP with the correct titles in it. But if YOU put them in, then it is up to you. In any case Yamaha should give you the disk.
Give your dealer and Yamaha a ring and demand the disk.

[guileak]

Hi All,

Thanks for the support, mfdview doesn't support the CVP3xx series as yet.

I have had a look at the file format - the headers is the same as the PSR3000 but the way it stores style information is different, seems to be a code rather than a style name. PSR3000 encoded MFD seems to work well with the cvp3xx series, but the odd style name isn't recognised so a defualt style is put in place.

I now have the CVP303MFD file & everything is working OK again, also I have learnt loads about MFD's along the way, this is a good feature & helps no end with building up the song list for performances etc.

Thanks again............

Andy

:D :D

[Midi Magic]

Hi

I have just phoned Yamaha Tech Support here in the UK and asked about these silly titles.
He said "did I not get the disk from my dealer" I said no. So he has emailed them to me.

Well I say has, I am still waiting.................

My local dealer says he has a copy of the disk, so the next time I am passing by I will copy it.


Yamaha have just sent me the CVP 307 & 309 MFD but they are the same length and have the same headers. They both say they are CVP 307.

FYI

Header on a CVP 207 is MDB-100-100-1000CVP-207
Header on a CVP 307 is MDB-100-100-2000CVP-307

I will change the header on the CVP307 file and see if it will load into my 209.

[Midi Magic]

Hi

Loaded the 307 MFD into the 209 and it complained, changed the header and it went straight in.
However, most of it is BLANK as it points to styles that the 209 does not have. The ones that DO show up work ok, but most of the database appears empty.

Oh well.......worth a try. You never know until you try.


Maybe that's why Michael has not put it into his program yet.

[guileak]

Not looked at this to closely, but I suspect that the instrument searches for a certain header string - if not present it queries the format of the MFD. So you need to things to be correct, header & format.

On the CVP3xx it doesn't accept it if this isn't corect. The real difference seems to be in the style string. Each instrument refrances the style in a different way - the 3xx seem to be able to ref via a numerical ref or a file name. The default 3xx file is purely numerical ref. But the other MFD series files seem to have a description in it. I guess that somewhere there is "code to decription" ref information, and the trick will be to give the file the correct header & translate the style string to an instrument specifc code or description.

The format of the files seems to be some sort of deliminated code, so you could probably pull this into a spreadsheet & edit it all manualy, but Michael's program makes life so much easier, I'll wait for the next version.

Andy

[Midi Magic]

Hi

I now have the new titles disk from Yamaha which has:

CVP301, 303, 305, 307, 309 PSR1500, PSR3000 and Tyros MFD files.

guileak

If you look into the CVP3xx files with a Hex Editor you will indeed see these too have names for the style just like the 2xx files. The reason you can not see them in Michael's program is the fact that there is NO DAT file for the 3xx.

Look in the main folder of the program and you will see a set of dat files, one for each CVP. These files are look-up tables for the numbers you see.
Beacuse there are no look-up dats for the CVP 3xx it will show you the style number.

[guileak]

Yes can see that, makes sense now. Thanks for that Midi Magic.

[mazydazydinah2002]

hi there,

Just been browsing the replies to the CVP307 MFD. Does this mean then that there is no chance of getting the 307MFD to work in the 209 or are you guys still working on it. Have Yamaha changed the way they work these things or is it the lack of the new voices in the 209 that is causing the problems. Don't really understand all the technical side so I am really glad we have you people to work it out for us. Keep going you're doing a great job. Marion

[Midi Magic]

Hi

"Have Yamaha changed the way they work these things or is it the lack of the new voices in the 209 that is causing the problems. "

No, things are the same. But, as you say, the 3xx have mega voices and the 209 doesn't. Therefore the new styles have new style numbers which the 209 does not understand.
If you put a 3xx MFD file into a 209 as I have done, then most of the enteries come up blank. The ones that are there do indeed work, so things are the same, its just the 209 does not have the new styles in it.

Having said all that, Michael has a program that will convert midi files (after all, this is all a style is) with mega voices to standard midi files. So it should be possible to convert styles with mega voices to styles without and then load them in to the 209. But they will NOT appear in the MFD as user styles do not show in the database.

However, there is a maximum size of style that the 209 can load and some of the 3xx styles are quite large.

[famidec]

Hello Guileak,

You can get the corrected MFD file for your CVP-303 on the following link:
www.svpworld.com/beta

I did it for my own CVP-303 and it works perfectly well.

Bye

Eddy