Musicsoft Downloader

[willjohn]

"Help" gives a procedure for copying files. It's simply a copy/paste routine, but I can't get it to work.

When I right-click the file I want to transfer I get the popup menu and click "copy". However, when I click on the destination file, I don't get a popup.

Any suggestions?

Also, does anyone know how much memory the user has at his disposal in the 307? The only memory the manual mentions is 3.3MB of internal flash memory.

John

[sablair]

HI Willjohn-

It's not clear if your working on your computer or your CVP. If you're right-clicking, you must be on your PC. You can't copy a file to a file, you can only copy a file to a FOLDER.

As to your 2nd question, you answered it yourself.:p

Best Wishes

[willjohn]

Hi Steve:

I'm working with MusicSoft Downloader on the PC. Sorry, I meant right click on "receiving folder".

Despite my mistake, it still remains that I can't make "copy file" as explained in the "Help" file work.

Can you?

Cheers,

John

[PEPyle]

To copy and paste on a PC:

You were doing fine until you just clicked at where you wanted the copy placed.

You can right-click and then select "paste" from the pop-up menu. (Very similar to how you did the "copy" command.)
_ _ _ _

The amount of unused Clavinova flash memory cannot be determined by any known console command. (I did notice a humorous suggestion to fill the memory completely full, then delete the added files, and finally add up the lengths of the files deleted to find the amount space!)

[willjohn]

PPPyle:

That's the problem: when I right click on the destination folder, I don't get a popup menu. Do you?

[Sunny]

If you're copying the file on your pc, don't worry if right-clicking didn't work. Try opening your "destination" folder, and with the cursor somewhere within the folder, try "Ctrl-v" (while holding down the "Ctrl" key, press the "v" key). That's a common short-cut key for "paste" in Windows.

[Martyn]

I wonder which version of MusicSoft Downloader is in use? I have version 5.0.6 which obtainable at http://music.yamaha.com/downloadTypeMusicsoftDownloader.html.

I've attached a screen shot of the application, which shows the files that are moved (not copied), from the folder on the PC to the temporary storage area window at the top, using the right arrow. The next stage is to move the files from the temporary storage area to the instrument using the left arrow.

[willjohn]

Thanks everyone who has made suggestions regarding my inability to copy files to folders using MusicSoft Downloader.
However, unfortunately none of your suggestions has helped.

This is my environment : Win98, pure MIDI connection to Clavinova (i.e. not USB), MSD version 5.0.6, CVP307.

Moving files to and from the the Clavinova using MSD over this MIDI connection works.

Thinking the CPU/Clav connection might be the problem, I tried to copy a file from a hard disk folder to another folder using MSD but still got no popup when I right clicked the destination folder. Should this work?

I looked in clipboard viewer and nothing was in it.

Any suggestions would be appreiated. I assume you folks can copy files with no problem.

John

[Sunny]

If the clipboard was empty, then "copy" was the problem to begin with. "Paste" wouldn't work anyway if there's nothing to paste with in the first place. I haven't used MusicSoft Downloader, so I can't offer any specific comment. But try to figure out what happened first when you right-clicked and copy.

Unless I'm missing something here, I don't know why you'd need to use MusicSoft Downloader in the first place to copy files on your pc. It would be much easier to use Windows explorer to find the folder/file you need and copy using Ctrl-c (or right-click, copy), then paste with Ctrl-v (or right-click, paste).

[willjohn]

You're right, Sunny. The "copy" function isn't working in MSD.

As for the need to use MSD, it sets up the link to the Clavinova for file transfers and it shows the folders and files that are on the Clavinova; Windows Explorer doesn't do either.

John

[Martyn]

I agree that the copy function is not working is MSD. Look in the Help under File and Folder Operations, Copy and Paste, and you can see in the Copy Desitation popup, that the Paste is greyed out. I have tried copy and paste from a source and destination folder both on the PC and this works, but not from the PC to the instrument. Perhaps it's something to do with copy protection:-

• Copy/Paste

Musicsoft Downloader allows you copy data which is not copy protected between memory media supported by your computer (internal hard disk, USB-connected storage devices, etc.) and/or memory media supported by your electromic musical instrument (internal memory, USB-connected storage devices, etc.).

[Martyn]

One more thing,

I discovered that after you select the destination folder in the left window by a left mouse click, the existing contents of the folder is shown in the right window. However, if you right click the folder with the cursor still in the left hand window, there is no popup box. Only if you right click with the cursor already in the right hand window area will you get the popup box.

But once you have made a right click in the left hand window, the paste button is greyed out when you make a second right click in the right hand window. In that case you have to repeat the copy of the file in source folder (rh window) and make the right click again in the rh window of the destination folder.

I'm sorry if this sounds confusing, but try it and you will see the difference.

[willjohn]

Hi Martyn:

I right-clicked the file name in the right pane and selected
"copy". I then right-clicked the destination folder in the right pane with no other clicking in between and glory be I got a popup menu. But, unfortunately paste was greyed out.

That's progress though.

Of course, this is now only academic since neither you nor I (nor anybody else, I assume) has succeeded in copying files to or from the CVP. But, I'm curious as to why you can paste and I can't.

Would you be good enough to check the clipboard to see if the file goes on it after doing your copy. Mine was empty. Of course, the clipboard may not be used.

Thanks.

John

[cowpast]

Can't verify this as my CVP 207 has no USB port, but my guess is that you are attempting to perform a file operation via the MIDI connections.
Although you can transfer the MIDI data of a song, style, etc via MIDI you can't move or perform file operations with this connection.
You may also find that by using the preferable USB connection, you would have no need to use the MS Downloader as the Clavinova would appear as a Drive in Windows Explorer. Hopefully someone with a PC setup with a USB connection can verify this.

[willjohn]

I thought I'd probably need a USB connection to transfer files to and from the Clavinova, but found I don't. I have successfully moved files in both directions, but am unable to copy them in either direction.

Since nobody has posted that they can copy files using MSD, I guess nobody can and therefore the program has a bug in that it won't do as advertized.

Anybody know how to report bugs in Yamaha programs?

[jimbuist]

Phil (aka Cowpast) indicated above, "You may also find that by using the preferable USB connection, you would have no need to use the MS Downloader as the Clavinova would appear as a Drive in Windows Explorer."

I haven't seen my CVP 307 show up in Windows Explorer. I use Windows XP and have installed (and used) Musicsoft Downloader. Has anyone else had their instrument show up in Windows Explorer? If so, is there something else that needs to be installed for Windows Explorer to see it?

Also, as a work around on the Musicsoft Downloader issue of wanting to "copy" and not "move" files, I found that I could make a copy of the file I wanted to copy into it's own folder. I then moved the original (or copy) file to the new location.

Jim

[cowpast]

Jim,
The Clav showing as a drive in Windows Explorer was a guess on my part. There is a USB-MIDI driver that has to be installed but the literature only mentions it being used to move MIDI data back and forth. I was under the impression that you could somehow drag and drop files between the PC and the Clav using the USB connection, is this the case?

John,
Correct me if I'm wrong but when you say you have moved files in both directions, I take it to mean that you can load and play a midi song from your PC to the Clavinova or from the Clavinova to a program in the PC.
If so, what you are doing is moving or transmitting only the MIDI data in the file.The file itself (IE: Song.mid) cannot be moved via the MIDI connection.
As I said the MIDI connection is not capable of moving a FILE, only MIDI data in the file.
I'm curious as to why you are using the MIDI connections when you have the USB port on your 307.

[willjohn]

Sorry Phil, it just ain't so. Using MFD I move the file (and it's folder if I so choose) to the Clav and then play the song from the Clav with the computer turned off if I so choose.

Why not pure MIDI instead of USB? That's an easy one; I have the cables for MIDI to MIDI but not MIDI to USB.

Cheers,

John

[cowpast]

I just downloaded the 307/309 manual. From what I read it looks like the drag and drop concept was wishful thinking on my part. It appears that the files must be saved to an external storage device (or the card) first and then that device is has to be connected to the PC or the Clavinova in order to transfer files. In other words, the file transferring method is similar to the Floppy drive method but substitutes the SmartCard or a USB storage device. If that makes any sense.
Anyway I guess I answered my own question.

John,
Moving the song via MIDI makes sense to me, the folder part is a little puzzling. Guess I'll just have to wait until I can upgrade.
Incidentally, the local dealer now has the 300 series. The 307 has a price tag that reads---
MSRP-- $8895
Our Price--$8495

[jimbuist]

Just to clarify, MusicSoft Downloader does indeed allow you to move files back and forth between the computer and the CVP 307. However, there doesn't seem to be a straight forward way to "copy" a file from the computer to the CVP (or vice versa) other than what I posted above. It would be nice if Yamaha would make a copy function available (hint, hint).

Also using MusicSoft Downloader, you are able to create new folders which is quite convenient for organizing files. The program seems to work a little like Windows explorer, but it's not quite as complete. Actually, it would be really nice if Yamaha just made the driver work with Windows Explorer so we could move/copy files with that (another hint). However, I'm not a programer, so I have no idea what that might entail.

Jim

[Martyn]

Yes, it would be nice if the instrument could be mapped as a drive on the PC just as one can with a removable USB memory device. This would allow drag and drop (or copy and paste) between the PC and the instrument using Windows Explorer.

However, I believe the reason Yamaha did not go down this road, and provided the MusicSoft Downloader instead, is one of copy protection. The MSD help file tells us:- • Copy/Paste
Musicsoft Downloader allows you copy data which is not copy protected between memory media supported by your computer (internal hard disk, USB-connected storage devices, etc.) and/or memory media supported by your electromic musical instrument (internal memory, USB-connected storage devices, etc.).

Copy protection in MSD is acheived by moving the file rather than copying it. Windows Explorer would not support such a discrimination.

[cowpast]

I think you hit on the root of the problem. Got this from a Yamaha FAQ site...

"Download and install MusicSoft Downloader (MSD) on your computer. This program enables you to transfer the music data from your account at yamahamusicsoft.com directly to a floppy disk.

And this, Google translated from a Yamaha of Japan site...

(sic)" It is the application which manages the music data on the personal computer.
It is possible to transfer the music data and the music data on the personal computer which are downloaded with Internet, to the musical instrument"

Apparently the MSD was intended only for downloading and transferring files from their Websites. This would explain why it doesn't work properly when you try to use it solely as an interface between the PC and the Clav.

The FAQ site makes reference only to version 3 (for Double density disks) and version 4 (for HD disks). The Japanese site makes reference to version 520 but it's hard to tell what that version accomplished. As I recall, the earlier versions only allowed the file to be downloaded directly to a floppy. Sifting through the translation at the Japanese site shows something to do with downloading to a harddrive instead of floppies.

To sum it all up, there is no real GUI type interface for transferring files back and forth. The procedure is pretty much the same as it was using the floppy drive but now with the ability to use larger USB storage devices or the card. Which is really a backup system as described on page 191 of the 307/309 manual. Using the MSD with Jim's clever work around is basically using the program as a kluge.

The concept of having the Clav appear as a drive on the PC is probably the way to go. Maybe they're saving that for the 300 even series.

Just out of curiosity, can you move a folder that contains more than one file?

[jimbuist]

It doesn't appear that you can move a folder at all as the program doesn't allow you to select it. What I mean is, when you click on a folder, the "move" button stays dim and is unusable.

Jim

[willjohn]

You're right, Jim.

My error. I forgot I had set up the folder on the Clav. I can move only files between computer and Clav using my pure MIDI connection.

Sorry.

John

[cowpast]

That makes more sense. I didn't see how it was possible via a MIDI connection.Thinking some more about it, I don't see that it's possible via the USB to Host connection either. That connection appears to do nothing more than transmit MIDI data via a USB cable. Kind of blows the idea of mapping the clav as a drive, at least with that technology.

[jimbuist]

Maybe I'm really losing track of this thread, but if you're talking about transmiting files via USB, of course that's possible. That's what I've been doing. While I can use the computer to play a midi file and have the CVP play it, I can also just move a file from the computer to the CVP, place it in a folder, and it's available directly on the CVP. This is true for MIDI files and the part about moving the files is also true for Styles.

I'm sorry if I'm going in a totally incorrect direction here!

Jim

[cowpast]

Jim,
You're not off base. My previous statement was in regard to the transmission of a folder.

To recap.This thread started with the question about not being able to copy and paste between the PC and the Clav which is essentially a file operation.
The distinction is between file operations, in other words, moving and manipulating files and folders on a PC vs moving "files" via MIDI.
When you used the MSD to move the file, what you are actually doing is transmitting the file data via the 16 MIDI channels which can only be done on a one at a time basis. It's kind of like pouring the contents of a bucket of water down 16 pipes vs. moving the whole bucket of water.To copy and paste the file you would have to pick up the whole bucket and move it. To carry this one step further, moving a folder would be like moving a box of buckets.

Geez, I'm cracking myself up with this really bad analogy, so I'll quit now. Where is MidiMagic when you need him?

The whole point is that there is no way to organize, drag and drop or copy and paste files or folders between the PC and the Clav, at least via MIDI.

Hope I not adding to the confusion.

[jimbuist]

Well, you got my curiosity up in regards to the transmission of file data via midi. That would indicate to me, then, that you woudn't be able to move any other type of file. However, just for kicks, I tried moving a WordPerfect file from my computer to the CVP using MSD and a USB connection. MSD DID show that the file was moved into the CVP (I put it into the Songs section). It doesn't show up in the songs menu on the instrument, but it definitely showed it as being there in MSD. Actually, I'm thinking that someone else posted that they did a similar thing recently.

So, I don't get how this connection is any different from any other USB connection (ie, floppy drives, etc.). Therefore, couldn't software be created that would allow simplier access using something like Windows Explorer?

Jim

[willjohn]

Phil (aka Cowpast):

How do you know it goes down 16 channels? Have you looked inside the program? Why couldn't it go down one channel?

Cheers,

John

[cowpast]

Wow, I wish I had a USB connection to fool with this. If this keeps up I'll have to convince my wife that I need to upgrade to a 307 for research purposes. (Actually not likely as I'm not about to pay any of the prices I've gotten so far).

I got a little off the track myself. The original poster (John) said that he was using MIDI cables and I was mainly addressing that situation. I didn't realize that you were using a direct USB connection. I guess anything is possible with your setup. The Clav obviously can output the files and folders to hardware like floppies and HD's, but you are still addressing the connection (to the Clav) using a MIDI driver in the PC which make me believe that's all the Clav is equipped to receive with that connection.

A MIDI file is transmitted OK because that's what it's supposed to do, I can only guess what's happening with the WordPerfect file. Could it be that you have only transferred the filename or another possibility is that some of the data in the file was able to matriculate through the MIDI channels and that IS a wild guess. Can you save the WP file to a floppy or the card and take it to the computer to see what actually came through??

One other question, did the Clavinova start playing the typewriter song??

[tomtomsf]

OK, I'll jump in here even though I don't own a CVP or know what I'm talking about! :) I have a Tyros with a hard drive. I can transfer any file to it over USB that I want. However, the Tyros operating system is setup so that it can only "see" certain files. For instance, if you look at the hard drive by using the Style button, you will only see the style files that are on the hard drive. There are plently of other files there, but the Tyros operating system will not let you view them. It restricts you to seeing only those files that fall in the category you are browsing.

Does this sound like what you are seeing on the CVP?

Tom G.

[cowpast]

Jim,
Thought of this after posting the above. I asked if you could save the file from the Clav, but obviously not if you can't see it there. Dumb question, but that does bring up another. How can you know it actually moved intact or at all. It's possible the program say's it went but that may not be proof that it did. Since it was written for another purpose, the program may just assume it uploaded and not have any feedback that it really did, then deletes the file, resulting in the message or whatever indication you got. I don't have a way to give it a try.

I really hadn't given much thought to the USB possibilities until the 300's came out. I saw no reason to invest in a CVP208 just for that feature, but after digging into it these last few days, it appears to me that it's mainly an improvement over the floppy backup.
I have been using MIDI stuff for about 15 years and my gut feeling is that it would take some different hardware as well as programming for a direct interface but what they've done is way better than the floppy system.The card choice was dumb, but that's another story.

I was a little disappointed that there was no real file handling interface. I had just assumed it would somehow work with the File Explorer, but after fooling with mountains of floppies for the past couple of years the USB system is definitely a plus.
Anyway, keep plugging I've been known to be wrong.

[cowpast]

Tom,
Is the Harddrive an integral part of the Tyros? How does the Tyros appear on the PC, or what software do you use to do the transfer?

[jimbuist]

LOLOLOLOL!!!!! You have no idea how much I'm busting my gut over here trying to hold in the laughter while my wife is sleeping! That was a good one. I was going to try to top that, but "the typewriter song" was just too good!

Back to the question about actually saving the file to the USB floppy on the CVP: Actually, I wasn't too sure myself. I hadn't thought of the question when I transfered the file earlier. So, I did it again, but this time instead of moving the file from the computer to the User section, I moved it to the CVP's floppy. It worked perfectly....."WordPerfectly". To check, I took the disk out of the CVP floppy drive, put it into the computer drive, and then opened it with Word Perfect. The file was completely there.

So, via USB, we can definitely "move" files. Thus, why not be able to "copy"? Why not be able to see the CVP in Windows Explorer? As for using midi cables, I understand why we might think that it wouldn't work there, but if the users have been "moving" MIDI files and Style files, then why would it be any different?

FYI, I don't know if it makes any difference in this conversation, but I am using the "To Host" port on the CVP (I'm not sure if it's possible to use the "To Device" port on the CVP and the USB port on the computer as I really don't know how they work or why there are different types of ports. My only thought there is that the USB port also sends power to the device). Also, the CVP doesn't seem to "see" my computer as far as having access to it on the CVP screen. Whether or not the computer is connected to the CVP, all I see in either Songs or Styles is "Preset", "User", "Card" and "USB1".

Well, now it's off to learn the Typewritter Song!

Jim

[dancaputi]

I just looked in the MIDI data spec for the 300's and I can't find ANYTHING that looks like it can transport a song or file. It would have to be done via a SYSEX. As far as I can tell, there's nothing but XG parameter dumps and organ flute dumps.

John, you say the songs move from the PC to the CVP over a MIDI cable? I'm dying to know how that's accomplished!

I have a program called MidiSpy that will intercept the MIDI data and tell us exactly what MSD is doing. I can't help without a 3xx but the program is freeware so if anyone wants to get to the bottom of this let me know...

- Dan C.

[cowpast]

Be careful you don't pitch the keyboard off the desk doing the carriage return!!

I think you are right about the USB to Device and the power. The manual is pretty empathic about not mixing them up.

Regarding the MIDI cables I think of that more as an upload and a delete operation rather than a move. There is a subtle difference. I guess the only way to know for sure is to try the same thing you did using the MIDI cables.

Looks like another sleepless night mulling this over.

[willjohn]

When I started this thread, I indicated that I couldn't get MSD "Copy" to work. At the same time, I posted on the "firmware update" thread that I had "moved" non-MIDI files to the Clav thinking it might be useful for firmware update. But, it isn't.

Here is a summary:

1. Using MSD I still Haven't gotten "copy" as described in "Help" to work and believe no one has.

2. Using MSD I've moved MIDI and non-MIDI files to the Clav over my pure MIDI connetion. (All the files show in the Clav "Song" branch of of MSD. But, as expected, only the MIDI files show on the Clav.)

3. I've played the transferred MIDI songs on the Clav with the computer off.

4. Using Windows Explorer, after the "moves", I see the files are no longer on the computer.

5. Using MSD I've "moved" the files back to the computer.

Bottom line: Using MSD and a pure-MIDI connection, you can move any type of file back and forth between a computer and a Clav.

Hope this is helpful.

John

[jimbuist]

John,

Thanks for summarizing (again) for us. I know we had gotten away from the main, original subject. It is good to know that using the midi port you are able to transfer the files as I can with USB.

So, now if someone can just figure out how to actually do a "copy" from computer to CVP (and vice versa), that would be great! It would also be great if someone out there who is good with programming could help us find a way to let the CVPs see our computers for storage and let Windows Explorer see the CVPs.

Jim

[willjohn]

Hi All:

I just tried the "Add File" function at the top of the MSD screen and guess what - it's a "copy" function. You can "copy" any file on your computer to the Clav using "Add File". However, you can't use "Add File" to "copy" files from the Clav to the computer. You have to "move" them.

[dancaputi]

Has anyone (John?) figured out how MSD manages to move a song from the PC to the CVP over a MIDI connection?

I would be willing to decipher the SYSEX commands if someone could capture the data stream with MidiSpy.

- Dan C.

[willjohn]

As long as it works(i.e. transfers files) and I'm not looking for another use for it, I'm not really interested in how it works.

Cheers.

[dancaputi]

Ok, so much for willjohn... :rolleyes:

Anyone else with a 300 series interested in helping out? Someone with a midi connection to the PC?

My reason for this curiosity is this: if I can reverse engineer how the 300 series manages to transfer the files then perhaps it's possible on the 200 series or older. I could then, perhaps, build this capability into the next release of YAMplayer. That would really open the door to the mass storage limitation for those of us with older CVP's.

- Dan C.

[tomtomsf]

The computer, once connected to the Tyros USB, sees the Tyros hard drive as another hard drive in My Computer. In my Tyros, the hard drive was partitioned into 4 logical drives. So when I connect the Tyros to my PC, my PC sees 4 new hard drives (HD1, HD2, HD3 and HD4). That is exactly what they are called. I can drag and drop, or cut and past the same way I do on my computer. The Tyros comes with or without a hard drive in it. Mine didn't have it and I just put in a laptop hard drive. It was very easy. It's set up for the user to do it.

In addition, I can have the Tyros play a MIDI file that is on my computer when they are connected by USB. I have to go in and change the MIDI OUT settings on my PC. And I cannot perform any file transfer while using the USB to play MIDIs. It is one operation or the other. You can only do one of these at a time.

Tom G.

[willjohn]

Ok, so much for willjohn... :rolleyes:
Dan-

I'd be glad to help you any way I can. Just tell me what you'd like.

I assumed the "(John)" in your previous post was me, so felt I owed you a reply. My intent was simply to indicate why I hadn't "figured out" or attempted to figure out how it works.

Cheers.:)

[dancaputi]

I played a bit with MidiSpy. Unfortunately, I jumped the gun by assuming we could capture the MIDI stream with it. It does not allow you to passively monitor the MIDI output of another program nor does it allow you to record to disk. Not a very good spy if you ask me!

I'm looking into alternatives...

Do you have a spare PC/laptop with midi I/O that could be put in between the PC running MSD and the CVP?

- Dan C.

[Midi Magic]

Hi John


>2. Using MSD I've moved MIDI and non-MIDI files to the Clav over my pure MIDI connetion.

Does this "MIDI connetion" mean that you have used JUST the midi leads or did you use a USB lead. Or indeed a "USB to Midi"

John, what I need to know is:

1 Can you start the MSD program with JUST a pair of MIDI leads connected to the midi sockets?
2 Will it connect to the CVP without using a USB lead?
3 The help file talks about a Midi driver. Where is this midi driver, it is on the CD rom or from the net?

[willjohn]

Originally posted by dancaputi
Do you have a spare PC/laptop with midi I/O that could be put in between the PC running MSD and the CVP?
Sorry, I don't. Perhaps someone else does.

Cheers :)

[cowpast]

The midi drivers can be downloaded from;
http://music.yamaha.com/productGroupInfoDownloads.html

Select the model then Downloads under Support Links
For the 200 even series it's the CBX driver.
For the USB instruments its the USB-MIDI driver

[Midi Magic]

Hi

According to willjohn it can be done using midi ????????


The CBX driver is for serial to midi which is not a straight midi to midi.

The USB is no good on a cvp2xx, and again NOT midi.

willjohn could you answer my 3 questions address to John

Thanks

[willjohn]

Hi MidiMagic

"Using MSD I've moved MIDI and non-MIDI files to the Clav over my pure MIDI connetion."

This "MIDI connection" means that I have used JUST the midi leads with no USB involvement.

1 I can start (and use) the MSD program with JUST a pair of MIDI leads connected to the midi sockets.
2 MSD does connect to the CVP without using a USB lead.
3 I have been using the installed software with the firmware updates and have not installed any other drivers.

Cheers!

[Midi Magic]

Hi

Thanks willjohn. When I loaded it on to my XP I could not see anything going out on the midi sockets.

I may have just been bad timing but after I loaded it I lost the internet and had to go into the router settings and re-connect. Not sure if it had anything to do with the MSD or not.

[Midi Magic]

Hi Dan

Here is the output from the MSD whilst trying to connect to the cvp.

Looks like just 2 sysex commands followed by 16 channels of Sustain, All notes off and Channels reset.

Sysex are F0 43 50 00 00 00 01 F7
F0 43 50 00 00 03 01 F7

I can not find any reference to these in the CVP 307/9 Data List.

[dancaputi]

Ok. So how can we find out about un-documented SYSEX commands for Yamaha keyboards? Wally and his Japanese contacts?

Midi-Magic, did you try the MSD link with the 209? I assume it just simply would not work.

Later, I can try capturing the SYSEX from SongFiler.exe and my Yamaha EZ-EG guitar. I'm curious if it sends the same codes.

- Dan C.

[Midi Magic]

Hi Dan

Yes I did connect it to the cvp 209 but as you say it did nothing. The connection box just came back failed.

Having said that, I did not capture the output from the cvp. For all I know, it may have sent something back in responce to the sysex commands, but, being a 209 and not a 3xx, the MSD did not get the right responce, so failed.

Maybe you could see what comes back as a responce from your cvp and the EZ-EG guitar.

[dancaputi]

MM,

The Yamaha EZ-EG SongFiler sends the following 16 SYSEX commands when attempting to "link" with the instrument:

F0 43 50 00 00 00 01 F7 < hey, the 1st one looks familiar!
F0 43 51 00 00 00 01 F7
F0 43 52 00 00 00 01 F7
.
. (through)
.
F0 43 5F 00 00 00 01 F7

I don't think the 207 responded to any (although I can't be sure since I can't monitor the return data so easy).

By the way, the Midi Data Sheet that came with the EZ-EG has a whole bunch of SYSEX commands listed but it says NOTHING about the above commands ... SUPRISE, SUPRISE!

I could try to capture a successful link-up to the guitar but I'm not sure it'll help us at this stage. We need a comprehensive and complete data sheet for Yamaha Midi SYSEX commands!

WALLY CAN YOU HELP?

- Dan C.